Today's Messages (OFF)
| Unanswered Messages (ON)
| Forum: Sports Memo Main Forum |
|---|
| Topic: Air Horns Suck |
|---|
| Air Horns Suck [message #193] |
Sun, 31 July 2005 07:28 |
 VegasVic
Messages: 362
Registered: July 2005 |
Member |
|
|
Brent…enjoyed the read. The MLB, (in their infinite wisdom), has decided that Oakland is in the Las Vegas market so my cable provider blacks their games out. I am not able to listen to the serenade of plastic horns, cowbells, and air horns that you are privileged to enjoy but I do remember their melodic song.
The A’s fans have always been big with those big plastic horns and cow bells. They were bad enough over the years but the air horns add a new dimension to the Oakland baseball experience. It could be worse. Check out a game from Mexico, the Caribbean, or Japan some time.
I think I found a remedy to your problem. Next time you're watching a game try calling security at the Coliseum from your house and report the din is disturbing your broadcast.
From the A’s web site:
Noise Makers:
Noisemakers, cowbells, air horns, drums, cell phones, and all items that make a noise are allowed in the stadium. However, their use, frequency and location are at the discretion of management. If there are complaints about these items being used, their use should be stopped. If necessary, the item may be checked into the Security office, behind section 126 on the Main Concourse, until the end of the game.
http://oakland.athletics.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/oak/ballpark/oak _ballpark_guide.jsp
[Updated on: Sun, 31 July 2005 07:31]
|
|
|
| Re: Air Horns Suck [message #216 is a reply to message #193 ] |
Sun, 31 July 2005 18:13 |
Brent_Crow
Messages: 1254
Registered: July 2005 |
Member |
|
|
Thanks Vic, I may just do that..
You bring up another ridiculous rule that MLB has.. The market blackouts.. I'm sure that someone in Vegas is going to decide not to drive 8 hours or whatever it is to Oakland just because the A's are on TV.. MLB and the NBA for that matter needs to wake up and eliminate blackouts outside of an hour from the stadium..
Right Tim??
|
|
|
| Re: Air Horns Suck [message #235 is a reply to message #193 ] |
Mon, 01 August 2005 10:03 |
Teddy_Covers
Messages: 4797
Registered: July 2005 |
Member |
|
|
The blackout rule is beyond idiotic, in all sports.
Who buys tickets for games? Mostly fans (there are business interests who buy lots of season tickets, but not so much the individual game tickets).
How does someone become a fan?
By watching the team on TV, that's how!
If you're not watching the team on TV, you are not becoming a fan. New fans come from new residents to cities and from kids. Without the ability to watch teams on TV, the league has effectively stifled the 'new fan' market.
There might be a handful of people who were considering going to the game, but decide to watch it on TV instead.
There are thousands and thousands of people who won't ever become fans, and will NEVER go to games, because they haven't gotten a chance to identify with the team because their games are blacked out.
One word: Ignorant.
[Updated on: Mon, 01 August 2005 10:10]
|
|
|
| Re: Air Horns Suck [message #236 is a reply to message #193 ] |
Mon, 01 August 2005 10:09 |
Teddy_Covers
Messages: 4797
Registered: July 2005 |
Member |
|
|
MLB, in their infinite wisdom, blacks out all the California games and Arizona games here in Vegas.
I suspect that has more to do with the fact that this is Sin City (betting on baseball) than anything else. They know perfectly well that no one is going to be traveling (or not be traveling) all day to the Dodgers, Angels, Giants, Padres, A's and D-backs games because they chose to watch it on TV instead.
I don't have the facts to support this, but I would reckon that, with the incredible growth here in Vegas, this city has a relatively high ratio of folks that order the MLB TV package on cable or on the dish compared to other parts of the country. Thus, they are making good $$ here, and don't 'need' to change their idiotic, antiquated rule...
|
|
|
| Re: Air Horns Suck [message #253 is a reply to message #193 ] |
Mon, 01 August 2005 20:03 |
Brent_Crow
Messages: 1254
Registered: July 2005 |
Member |
|
|
Excellent point Ted.. They need someone to explain to them how to cultivate fans.
It seems so simple to you and I and most people, but somehow the owners dont see it. They are afraid they are going to lose a dollar from someone not coming. Cant see the forest for the trees.
I know that the only reason most people around here would attend a Braves game or a Grizzlies game in person would be from interest developed from watching them on TV.
|
|
|
| Re: Air Horns Suck [message #256 is a reply to message #193 ] |
Tue, 02 August 2005 04:38 |
VegasVic
Messages: 362
Registered: July 2005 |
Member |
|
|
From the what comes first department, the chicken or the egg:
What a contrast in how to sell a sport....chances are the only people that would watch a Thrashers game on TV are the ones that attended a game.
|
|
|
| Re: Air Horns Suck [message #257 is a reply to message #236 ] |
Tue, 02 August 2005 04:59 |
VegasVic
Messages: 362
Registered: July 2005 |
Member |
|
|
| Teddy_Covers wrote on Mon, 01 August 2005 13:09 |
MLB, in their infinite wisdom, blacks out all the California games and Arizona games here in Vegas.
I suspect that has more to do with the fact that this is Sin City (betting on baseball) than anything else. They know perfectly well that no one is going to be traveling (or not be traveling) all day to the Dodgers, Angels, Giants, Padres, A's and D-backs games because they chose to watch it on TV instead.
I don't have the facts to support this, but I would reckon that, with the incredible growth here in Vegas, this city has a relatively high ratio of folks that order the MLB TV package on cable or on the dish compared to other parts of the country. Thus, they are making good $$ here, and don't 'need' to change their idiotic, antiquated rule...
|
It seems to me that they would sell even more packages if they put on the Bay Area teams for the population that has moved to Vegas from northern California. If I was just a Red Sox fan and they blacked out all Boston games I’d wouldn’t care to buy the package.
In fact the only games I really miss are the A’s and Giants. We get most of the Angels and Dodgers from Fox West and Cox listened to the complaints last year and put the Padre feed from San Diego channel 4 back on, (cable channel 96). So all of their games are now available.
D’Backs have a handful of games on, (cable channel 6). But then you have to listen to the incoherent ramblings of Joe Garagiola with Thom Brennaman patronizing him in a feeble attempt to not have him sound like the second coming of Phil Rizzuto. So I’m not certain if this is an upgrade from having 100% of their games blacked out or not.
I still say the best way to “watch” a baseball game is to listen to one on the radio.
[Updated on: Tue, 02 August 2005 05:03]
|
|
|
| Re: Air Horns Suck [message #264 is a reply to message #193 ] |
Tue, 02 August 2005 09:07 |
Teddy_Covers
Messages: 4797
Registered: July 2005 |
Member |
|
|
"It seems to me that they would sell even more packages if they put on the Bay Area teams for the population that has moved to Vegas from northern California. If I was just a Red Sox fan and they blacked out all Boston games I’d wouldn’t care to buy the package."
Of course they would, if anybody in Bud Selig's office is paying attention. I guess steriod testing is far more important to appease congress than re-evaluating their stance on blackouts to appease their fan base.
How do we get the MLB executives to start reading this forum? Or the NFL execs, or NBA execs, or (worst of the group) the absolute clowns that run the NCAA. Suggestions welcome and appreciated.
|
|
|
| Re: Air Horns Suck [message #265 is a reply to message #264 ] |
Tue, 02 August 2005 09:10 |
Rob_Veno
Messages: 4146
Registered: July 2005 |
Member |
|
|
|
No Message Body
[Updated on: Tue, 02 August 2005 09:11]
|
|
| | Topic: Local Sports Talk Host Goes Off On Giants |
|---|
| Local Sports Talk Host Goes Off On Giants [message #403] |
Sat, 06 August 2005 07:14 |
Rob_Veno
Messages: 4146
Registered: July 2005 |
Member |
|
|
Giants upset over radio show remarks
08/05/2005 10:52 PM ET
By CJ Bowles / MLB.com
SAN FRANCISCO -- The Giants' clubhouse was abuzz with something completely unrelated to their game against the Astros at SBC Park on Friday night.
Late Wednesday night, after the team's game against the Rockies, talk-show host Larry Krueger of KNBR -- the flagship radio station of the Giants and a partial owner of the franchise -- made a tirade about the struggling team and its "brain-dead Caribbean hitters hacking at slop nightly."
The radio personality also said: "You have a manager in Felipe [Alou] whose mind has turned to Cream of Wheat."
Alou was made aware of the comments Friday and was visibly shaken by them when he addressed the media during his pregame question-and-answer session.
"It made me sad to know that 40, almost 50 years later, we have comments like that, especially in San Francisco, which is a city with so many people from different [nations]," said the 70-year-old manager, who was the target of racism in the South as a player. "There are more countries [represented] in San Francisco now than when I was a player here and I never heard anything like that here.
"It is really sad to know that people still question the brain of other people of other nationalities, of other races, of other ethic groups," continued Alou, who went so far as to say that he will contact the president of his home country, the Dominican Republic, to inform him about the comments.
Following his meeting with the press, Alou held a closed-door meeting with the other Latin members of the Giants to discuss the situation.
Krueger said that he apologized on-air for his comments Thursday and that he would apologize in person if given the opportunity.
"If they'd like to hear it, then I'd definitely like to," he said, declining to comment further.
KNBR senior vice president and market manager Tony Salvadore announced that Krueger would not be fired, but that he was suspended for one week without pay Friday in reaction to the comments.
Shortstop Omar Vizquel, a native of Venezuela, was also disturbed by the comments.
"I have regret for things that I have said before and I wish people can forgive me for that, so I guess I can give a guy a second chance if I know him better, but I don't really know the guy," said Vizquel, who could not remember hearing a comment similar in nature since former player John Rocker talked negatively about gays, minorities and foreigners in an interview with Sports Illustrated in 1999.
"In a baseball team, there are guys who are coming from all over the world," continued the 16-year veteran. "We have Australian baseball players, we have Chinese, we have Filipino, we have all kinds, and of course Latinos. He shouldn't address the problem to one ethnic group in particular. This is a 25-man-roster thing, it's a group thing. I think it's ridiculous for him to blame just one side of the team."
The Giants released a statement before Friday's game that said: "The San Francisco Giants take offense to the racially charged comments made by local radio personality Larry Krueger on his Wednesday evening show.
"As an organization we wholeheartedly back the statements by manager Felipe Alou which he made to the media regarding this topic today. As a baseball team that has a very deep and rich Latin history, we want to let our fans both here in the Bay Area and around the world know that these types of characterizations of members of our organization are unacceptable."
|
|
|
| Re: Local Sports Talk Host Goes Off On Giants [message #448 is a reply to message #403 ] |
Sun, 07 August 2005 08:35 |
Tim_Trushel
Messages: 2969
Registered: July 2005 |
Member |
|
|
SAN FRANCISCO -- Giants manager Felipe Alou called a one-week suspension given to a radio host for making racial remarks about the team's Latino players "a slap on the hand" and said he wouldn't accept an apology from Larry Krueger.
"He came to apologize to me? You have to be kidding me," Alou said Saturday, one day after the suspension. "There's no way to apologize for such a sin."
Alou said he wasn't in position to accept an apology on behalf of the "hundreds of millions" of people offended earlier this week when Krueger went on the Giants' flagship station, KNBR, and went off about the struggling club and its "brain-dead Caribbean hitters hacking at slop nightly."
"All of these people have been offended by this idiot," Alou said. "I can't speak for hundreds of millions of people. This guy offended hundreds of millions of people."
|
|
|
| Re: Local Sports Talk Host Goes Off On Giants [message #449 is a reply to message #403 ] |
Sun, 07 August 2005 08:51 |
Teddy_Covers
Messages: 4797
Registered: July 2005 |
Member |
|
|
Maybe Alou was also upset by this quote from Krueger's diatribe:
"You have a manager in Felipe whose mind has turned to Cream of Wheat."
|
|
|
| Re: Local Sports Talk Host Goes Off On Giants [message #465 is a reply to message #449 ] |
Sun, 07 August 2005 20:17 |
Futurebettor
Messages: 261
Registered: October 2005 |
Member |
|
|
|
I think Alou is REALLY mad about the cream of wheat thing more than the other.
|
|
|
| Re: Local Sports Talk Host Goes Off On Giants [message #539 is a reply to message #403 ] |
Wed, 10 August 2005 05:18 |
Tim_Trushel
Messages: 2969
Registered: July 2005 |
Member |
|
|
SAN FRANCISCO (AP) -- The San Francisco Giants' flagship radio station fired controversial talk-show host Larry Krueger and two station officials Tuesday night, six days after Krueger made racially tinged criticisms of the club and manager Felipe Alou.
Tony Salvadore, KNBR's vice president and general manager, announced the firings of Krueger, program manager Bob Agnew and KNBR Morning Show producer Tony Rhein in a brief statement.
Salvadore said the firings were related to ``inappropriate comedy sound bytes'' played Tuesday morning during a discussion of Alou's recent interview with ESPN in which he roundly criticized KNBR and Krueger, who was suspended last Friday.
Sara Jones, a spokesperson for the station, declined to discuss the content of the comedy sound bytes.
|
|
|
| Re: Local Sports Talk Host Goes Off On Giants [message #601 is a reply to message #403 ] |
Wed, 10 August 2005 12:42 |
Donnie_Black
Messages: 30
Registered: July 2005 |
Member |
|
|
If the host didn't say the word "Caribbean" would have been a non-issue.
If the host says the following this story never gets reported.
The brain-dead hitters are hacking at slop nightly and with Felipe Alou you have a manager whose mind has turned to Cream of Wheat.
But by inserting the word "Caribbean" into the dialog as a racial factor the guy sealed his fate.
|
|
|
| Re: Local Sports Talk Host Goes Off On Giants [message #630 is a reply to message #601 ] |
Wed, 10 August 2005 15:57 |
ComptrBob
Messages: 607
Registered: October 2005 |
Member |
|
|
When I lived in Sausalito, I used to listen to KNBR all the time, especially Gary Radnich and Rick Barry. I think Bob Agnew was involved with both shows. Krueger was on later at night, sometimes right after the Giants broadcast. He seemed like a bit of a loose cannon, but he was very knowledge and entertaining.
But in good ole politically correct San Fran, you just can't bring up a racial or ethnic category unless you're black or Latino (reference Dusty Baker's comments several years ago about dark-skinned players playing better in the heat).
|
|
|
| Re: Local Sports Talk Host Goes Off On Giants [message #645 is a reply to message #630 ] |
Wed, 10 August 2005 20:07 |
Futurebettor
Messages: 261
Registered: October 2005 |
Member |
|
|
[quote title=(reference Dusty Baker's comments several years ago about dark-skinned players playing better in the heat).[/quote]
why didnt he get fired...or get blasted by people on this.
WHATEVER!
|
|
|
| Re: Local Sports Talk Host Goes Off On Giants [message #711 is a reply to message #645 ] |
Fri, 12 August 2005 06:51 |
derrond82
Messages: 9619
Registered: July 2005 |
Member |
|
|
it's just the way it goes in today's bullshit do-gooder society where everyone gets clouded on what the point is and reacts too harshly to a stupid word or words that were misunderstood. From what I read and heard, this guys says "Alou's mind is cream of wheat". how is that racial? Are you telling me at 70 years old the guy has a sharp managerial mind this year? didn't he and SFran's braintrust not want to trade their only tradeable commodity in Schmidt because they still have a chance to win the wildcard? Or get in the playoffs' next year? They have no chance to win anything with or without Bonds as they are currently made up.
And EVERYONE knows that Latin or Caribbean players hack at every first pitch! When is that a racial slander? It's said every day in baseball. I just heard it from Rick Sutcliffe on ESPN the day after Krueger said it! he said as I've said and everyone else who knows baseball has said, "you don't get off the island by taking walks" What a hypocrisy.
Hey I could care less about this guy Krueger, never even heard of him, but why do all the do-gooder minority in this country get their way all the time? It's time for the silent majority who know this stuff is crap stand up and tell these people that Janet Jackson's tit falling out of her shirt for 1 second didn't scar the country and doesn't give these fools the right to run things. Krueger would still have a job if he just said "Alou is a bright young manager who's doing a good job" and "boy, look at our Central-American Latino players really try hard to get a basehit by swinging at every close pitch". I guess that's what these idiots want, everything all nicely packaged and neat!
|
|
| | Topic: Bears QB Grossman --- Injured |
|---|
| Bears QB Grossman --- Injured [message #742] |
Fri, 12 August 2005 18:59 |
GI Blues
Messages: 42
Registered: October 2005 |
Member |
|
|
ST. LOUIS -- Chicago Bears quarterback Rex Grossman injured his left ankle early in the second quarter of Friday night's preseason game against the St. Louis Rams and was carted off the field.
Grossman, who played in only three games last season before being sidelined by a right knee injury, was hurt with 11:08 to go in the half as he threw a pass. After being flushed out of the pocket and being spun around by Trev Faulk, he stood back up, limped and signaled for a trainer.
He then sat down and grabbed his left knee. He slammed his helmet on the cart before he left.
|
|
|
| Re: Bears QB Grossman --- Injured [message #847 is a reply to message #742 ] |
Tue, 16 August 2005 08:47 |
Jared_Klein
Messages: 2140
Registered: July 2005 |
Member |
|
|
He might be out for the year...
BOURBONNAIS, Ill. -- The Bears are leaning toward placing quarterback Rex Grossman on injured reserve after surgery to repair his broken left ankle also required work on his fibula, meaning he would miss the entire 2005 season.
With injuries at other positions like fullback and tight end, the Bears might not be in position to save a spot for Grossman on the 53-man roster.
"We're talking about that, but I don't want to get too far ahead of myself until I hear from the doctors," general manager Jerry Angelo said. "I told Rex this. I said, 'Rex, we're going to do everything we can to make sure you continue your progress with us.' But our first priority is what's in the best interest of our team. He understands that's the position we're going to take."
Team physician Mark Bowen and Armen Kelikian, a foot and ankle specialist at Northwestern Memorial Hospital, performed the two-hour surgery.
When Grossman originally suffered the injury Friday in St. Louis, the team estimated his absence at three to four months.
That would mean missing eight of 16 games in a best-case scenario and 13 in the worst case.
The worst-case scenario appears to be more in play following the surgery, which could end Grossman's third season even before he reaches the regular season.
Grossman, who has played in just six career games, is signed through 2007.
Depending on how starter Chad Hutchinson and rookie Kyle Orton perform this season, Grossman could no longer be atop the depth chart at quarterback when he returns.
"We have a lot of confidence in our quarterbacks and certainly [offensive coordinator] Ron Turner," Angelo said. "And we feel very good about going forward. We have plenty of time to get ready. We're going to take advantage of that time."
Ashen in the direct aftermath of Grossman's injury, Angelo put his best face forward late Monday.
"There's a lot being said about the eulogy of our team given that Rex is out," he said. "I want to make sure our fans know we're not here lamenting over Rex. It's unfortunate. We all feel bad about it. But we have a contingency plan. The only thing I'm disappointed in is we had to use the contingency plan."
|
|
|
Pages (329): [1 ]
Current Time:
Total time taken to generate the page: 0.38467 seconds |
Members
Search
User CP
